Topics discussed include: Lukasik's publication records; family history and early scientific interest; scientific education at Renssalaer Polytechnic Institute; interest in acoustics; expectations of eventual career; education and atmosphere at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT); job at Stevens Institute of Technology, work in hydrodynamics; move to Advanced Research Projects Agency; supervision of program in nuclear test detection, the Vela program; interest in computer science at ARPA; systems analysis at ARPA; Deputy director of ARPA, then director; reason for leaving ARPA; move to Xerox, and relations between Xerox and ARPA; changes at ARPA; work at Rand; moving between defense and non-defense careers; first meeting with Jason group; expectations for management of Jason; relations between Jason, Institute for Defense Analyses, and ARPA; need for Jason to have better management than IDA would supply; move of Jason from IDA to Stanford Research Institute; Jason's annual study cycle and ARPA's input into it; changes in Jason's operating procedures; decline in goverment's willingness to listen to science advisors; Jason's work on the McNamara Wall; current Jason studies; Jason giving technical advice vs. policy advice; Jason's position in world of science advisors; physicists' importance in science advising.